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  Will we ever see another Ray Franz?

  by Emery in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  will we ever see another governing body member leave the organization like ray franz did and speak out against them?.

  one can only imagine the kind of dirt that's been concealed behind those gb sessions since the 1980's.. what are your thoughts?.

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  Bungi Bill

  There was, of course, always this unshakeable belief (or desperate hope, perhaps?) that "The Society will correct itself - given time":

  - accompanied by stern warnings and dire threats about "Moving ahead of the Society!"

  Around about the same time period that Ray Franz spoke about, I heard others rationalize their actions on those grounds. To an extent, this attitude probably had a hold on him, too.

  However ........ the reality is that - as they say down here in this part of the world - there is "Buckley's Chance" of that ever happening!

  Bill.
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  Will we ever see another Ray Franz?

  by Emery in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  will we ever see another governing body member leave the organization like ray franz did and speak out against them?.

  one can only imagine the kind of dirt that's been concealed behind those gb sessions since the 1980's.. what are your thoughts?.

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  Bungi Bill

  King Solomon,

  No wonder he had a crisis of conscience!

  Bill.
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  "Evidently" the New Watchtower Propoganda Buzzword is "Clearly"

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we have seen hundreds of examples of where the watchtower uses the word "evidently" to make their doctrinal point.

  (page 9, para 6).

  (page 19 para 5).

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  Bungi Bill

  Without a doubt, their new buzzword is "clearly".

  Bill.
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  Did you pick-up many people for the meetings??

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was a regular taxi for alot of people.. we (wife & family) pick up one sister and her 2 children for many years ...he husband had walked out on her and we did'nt mind.. however when we were asked by the cobe wife to pick up and elderly and infermed bro a 3 day assembly (we had 3 young children) i said no.. we pased her and her daughter traviling alone to the assembly.. .

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  Bungi Bill

  Early on, I was a regular taxi driver for the congregation - or felt like I was, anyway!

  Furthermore, my car of that time was a two door ( not a sporty job, though; purely the economy model ). Not that anybody complained - they were only too pleased to have a lift. That's why I have difficulty understanding the fuss there appears to be these days amongst the JWs about "Christendom's cars."

  Bill.
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  Is their a slackening off / lack of zeal in the witnessing work that I am observing or is it just the area I`m living in

  by smiddy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  last saturday i was home with my wife,having a leisurely brekky pottering around in the kitchen ,then i noticed her standing still pondering ,what`s up i asked , wife :i thought i heard someone knocking ,i looked out the window to see two middle aged guys exciting my front drive.why didn`t you tell me they were their,i didn`t hear them.

  i would have engaged them in conversation , but my wife doesn`t think i ought to,just let it go ,is her motto.. but my point is : i`m not deaf , and i didn`t hear them at the door , we were both in the front room ,my wife only thought she heard someone at the door only to be proved right observing them leaving i was in my pj`s and dressing gown so was not going to pursue them.

  we have been living here nearly 5 years now and i can honestly say they have never been on our doorstep more than 4 times if that , i personally have only encountered them 3 times at the most.

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  smiddy,

  The scene that you just described is very similar to what I have noticed over the last several years:

  - Firstly, as they approach your door, their body language very much gives the impression that they really hope nobody is going to be at home.

  - Then, at the first hint of opposition, they definitely give the impression of being only too pleased to have an excuse to disengage the enemy and flee the field!

  Bill.
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  I actually loved field service

  by gubberningbody in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  that might seem odd, but it really suited my personality.

  even before i became a jw i was annoying people with personal questions.

  the thing is that it's sort of ok in normal land to do that as a cult member, but not as a "normal citizen".. .

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  Bungi Bill

  What else is there to say, but "each to their own!"

  Bill.

  PS: When anybody buttonholes me now - whether at my door, on the street, or by telephone - and tells me that they are "going around asking what people think of such and such?" , I feel like replying:

  "Why do you want to know, and why should I tell you?" (In other words, "ever hear of minding your own bloody business!")
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  Do you still keep WTS literatures?

  by umadevi in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was cleaning my bookshelf earlier this week and got rid of all the wts magazines.

  as for the books i haven't decided yet.

  what about you?.

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  Bungi Bill

  In a word, no.

  All I had was disposed of by means of a box of matches, and several litres of kerosene.

  In some ways, rather regrettable, as I no longer have anything available for research purposes. But I tell you what, at the time the act of torching the lot was therapeutic!

  Bill.
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  jw's who are reluctant to wittness

  by londonlady in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was walking through a busy part of london this morning at 8am, the mainstreets were full of commuters and workers on their way to begin their day.

  of course out in full force were the cheaply dressed jw young pioneers.

  all sporting battered cases and a wodge of mags in hand.

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  "JWs who are reluctant to witness"

  From what I have noticed of late, thay would be almost all of them!

  Bill.
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  How Did/Has the WTBTS Affected Your Social Skills?

  by ABibleStudent in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  good or bad?

  how did/has the wtbts affected your social skills, social development, and/or how you interact with other people?

  i have many questions about different social skills that i will ask either after other people post to this thread or to keep this thread active.

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  Bungi Bill

  I would have described myself as being "socially inhibited" as a result of WTBS indoctrination.

  The only contact with members of the public was in the "service" - which meant either :

  (a) rows and rows of houses in which nobody was at home / nobody appeared to be home.

  (b) and those who were home - or would at least answer their doors - nearly always resented you being there.

  Not much scope for social development there!

  As for the kingdom hall, it was hardly the place for socialising (none of the ones I attended, anyway).

  Bill.

  PS: I once thought that the Theocratic Ministry School did help develop ones speaking skills - until I found out what a real course in public speaking was like!
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  Good news, finally regarding my ex-elder-pedophile-father-in-law...

  by misguided in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  about two weeks ago he was arested in bc, about 35 years too late thanks to wts cover-up.. he had a baby with my ex-husband's sister - my kids have a cousin who is also their aunt.

  this was all covered up by moving from ontario to bc back in the early 1980s, and it all being hidden by the wts; even allowing this guy to serve as an elder after the fact...when i got married to my ex, his father was an elder, and the baby of the incest was 15. .

  today and from now on, hopefully things will unravell for the wts in canada, as he sits in jail in ontario (where the crimes were committed)charged on 24 counts of sexual abuse.. i hope there is a lot of embarrassment going on in that congregation in ladner, bc when all this originally came to light about 28 years ago, the congregation that let this man become an elder...because, my own parents seem to be in "cover-my-ass" mode when it comes to talking about this matter with me..

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  NOLAW,

  If I was given to sarcasm, I would most likely begin by saying "Good on ya, old son! The rights of the bad b#%!&*d always come ahead of those of those of innocent children."

  However, sarcasm has never been my scene - and I don't intend to begin now!

  Instead, I will remind you that it is a sad fact that pedophiles are almost entirely incurable, and the only place where they are safe is in a prison cell. So what if the crimes he got caughtdoing (but only the ones he got caught doing)appened 35 years ago. Being a pedophile, do you reckon he stopped offending then - and wouldn't offend again, given the opportunity? Or is it only a crime if you get caught, perhaps? (You know, Commandment No.11 - "Thou shalt not get caught.")

  No, it is much more than just suspicion ; going by the typical record of such low-lifes as him, it is almost a certainty. The public has the right to be protected from such predators as this creature.

  Bill.

  PS: Let you bleeding-heart liberals scream bloody blue murder if you must - in answer to your question, I couldl not be more serious!